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Gorgonzola: /* How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles */

2014-10-07T09:31:04Z

How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles

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	Well, I did get notified. Let me know if you get the message for this, since I won't be using the indent or signature thingies. My current guess is that it notifies you if someone adds to your (talk) page, and that's it. Btw, do we have anyone that can delete pages? We could end up with a fair number of empty pages if we try to move all the creatures to a single page :/		Well, I did get notified. Let me know if you get the message for this, since I won't be using the indent or signature thingies. My current guess is that it notifies you if someone adds to your (talk) page, and that's it. Btw, do we have anyone that can delete pages? We could end up with a fair number of empty pages if we try to move all the creatures to a single page :/
	: Hi Karu. First concerning creatures: no, you can make individual creature pages. I only suggested that we focus our efforts first on the creature type pages (Goblin, Arthropod, etc) in which we could list the known individual creatures, and link to their pages (so you can keep making those pages if you like, and we don't need to delete them).<br><br>'''Regarding signatures and Talk Pages''': please try to use them [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages as is documented]. When I come to the Talk page, I have no idea where you replied, I have to re-scan all the text to get a sense of who is who, or go through the page history (in fact now that I re-scanned the page I noticed another comment you left regarding Anatomy XP, it's hard to see!). Signatures, indents, and topics (headings) make it easier to see how the discussion is going and who has last replied, not just for the person you respond to, but any future editors who want to get up to date on the conversation and the history of an article. It also allows future editors to join in a conversation, add their opinions as they can chose to address any specific comment by indenting.<br><br>Granted it has been easier to talk to [[User:NotesOfNotus]] because our play time overlaps so we could talk in-game. I've looked for you in-game but we don't seem to be on at the same time much. If you'd like to discuss via Skype to communicate more easily <abbr title="my email is on github.com/fabd">see this tooltip</abbr>. It's not just my page and your page, it's super helpful for all talk pages.<br><br>If I seem to drive things a little bit for now, I hope you can appreciate that I spent some time creating MediaWiki Help bookmarks initially on my user page, and recently moved to the [[Project Gorgon Wiki:How to help]] page sidebar. I made lots of effort during the past 3 weeks to organize things here because now is a critical time to do so. Two weeks ago I posted a [http://www.reddit.com/r/projectgorgon/comments/2gv5jq/did_you_know_there_is_an_official_wiki_well_there/ long Reddit topic] to attract editors, and for nearly two weeks I kept making edits without seeing anybody else in the Recent Changes. I think make a great wiki for this game is a way of supporting it, and the players... but that requires a lot of planning atm in the early days, to avoid it become a big mess later (in my opinion).		: Hi Karu. First concerning creatures: no, you can make individual creature pages. I only suggested that we focus our efforts first on the creature type pages (Goblin, Arthropod, etc) in which we could list the known individual creatures, and link to their pages (so you can keep making those pages if you like, and we don't need to delete them).<br><br>'''Regarding signatures and Talk Pages''': please try to use them [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages as is documented]. When I come to the Talk page, I have no idea where you replied, I have to re-scan all the text to get a sense of who is who, or go through the page history (in fact now that I re-scanned the page I noticed another comment you left regarding Anatomy XP, it's hard to see!). Signatures, indents, and topics (headings) make it easier to see how the discussion is going and who has last replied, not just for the person you respond to, but any future editors who want to get up to date on the conversation and the history of an article. It also allows future editors to join in a conversation, add their opinions as they can chose to address any specific comment by indenting.<br><br>Granted it has been easier to talk to [[User:NotesOfNotus]] because our play time overlaps so we could talk in-game. I've looked for you in-game but we don't seem to be on at the same time much. If you'd like to discuss via Skype to communicate more easily <abbr title="my email is on github.com/fabd">see this tooltip</abbr>. It's not just my page and your page, it's super helpful for all talk pages.<br><br>If I seem to drive things a little bit for now, I hope you can appreciate that I spent some time creating MediaWiki Help bookmarks initially on my user page, and recently moved to the [[Project Gorgon Wiki:How to help]] page sidebar. I made lots of effort during the past 3 weeks to organize things here because now is a critical time to do so. Two weeks ago I posted a [http://www.reddit.com/r/projectgorgon/comments/2gv5jq/did_you_know_there_is_an_official_wiki_well_there/ long Reddit topic] to attract editors, and for nearly two weeks I kept making edits without seeing anybody else in the Recent Changes. I think make a great wiki for this game is a way of supporting it, and the players... but that requires a lot of planning atm in the early days, to avoid it become a big mess later (in my opinion). <small><span class="autosigned">— [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures#How_to_sign_your_posts Unsigned] comment added by [[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gorgonzola\|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

	::Yeah, as you're no doubt aware, I'm a total noob when it comes to wikis, so until the other day when i looked up how you had been signing them in the edit section, I didn't even know how. I'll try to do better in the future though. Regarding your proposal, I agree, but I don't think it will ever be necessary to list the individual anatomies on their own. They should be good on the main anatomy page as a table. That said, I'll probably make that page link to the relevant creature anatomy info, assuming I ever get it nice and compiled the way I'd like to. [[User:Karunama\|Karunama]] ([[User talk:Karunama\|talk]]) 00:09, 7 October 2014 (CDT)		::Yeah, as you're no doubt aware, I'm a total noob when it comes to wikis, so until the other day when i looked up how you had been signing them in the edit section, I didn't even know how. I'll try to do better in the future though. Regarding your proposal, I agree, but I don't think it will ever be necessary to list the individual anatomies on their own. They should be good on the main anatomy page as a table. That said, I'll probably make that page link to the relevant creature anatomy info, assuming I ever get it nice and compiled the way I'd like to. [[User:Karunama\|Karunama]] ([[User talk:Karunama\|talk]]) 00:09, 7 October 2014 (CDT)

			:::Hah! I forgot to sign myself apparently talk about contradicting myself. Aanyway. Thanks. '''Regarding anatomy sub skills''' linking the [[:Category:Creatures by Type]] on the anatomy makes sense. Agree Anatomy subskills page probly a little much. --[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 04:31, 7 October 2014 (CDT)

Karunama: /* How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles */

2014-10-07T05:09:53Z

How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles

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	: Hi Karu. First concerning creatures: no, you can make individual creature pages. I only suggested that we focus our efforts first on the creature type pages (Goblin, Arthropod, etc) in which we could list the known individual creatures, and link to their pages (so you can keep making those pages if you like, and we don't need to delete them).<br><br>'''Regarding signatures and Talk Pages''': please try to use them [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages as is documented]. When I come to the Talk page, I have no idea where you replied, I have to re-scan all the text to get a sense of who is who, or go through the page history (in fact now that I re-scanned the page I noticed another comment you left regarding Anatomy XP, it's hard to see!). Signatures, indents, and topics (headings) make it easier to see how the discussion is going and who has last replied, not just for the person you respond to, but any future editors who want to get up to date on the conversation and the history of an article. It also allows future editors to join in a conversation, add their opinions as they can chose to address any specific comment by indenting.<br><br>Granted it has been easier to talk to [[User:NotesOfNotus]] because our play time overlaps so we could talk in-game. I've looked for you in-game but we don't seem to be on at the same time much. If you'd like to discuss via Skype to communicate more easily <abbr title="my email is on github.com/fabd">see this tooltip</abbr>. It's not just my page and your page, it's super helpful for all talk pages.<br><br>If I seem to drive things a little bit for now, I hope you can appreciate that I spent some time creating MediaWiki Help bookmarks initially on my user page, and recently moved to the [[Project Gorgon Wiki:How to help]] page sidebar. I made lots of effort during the past 3 weeks to organize things here because now is a critical time to do so. Two weeks ago I posted a [http://www.reddit.com/r/projectgorgon/comments/2gv5jq/did_you_know_there_is_an_official_wiki_well_there/ long Reddit topic] to attract editors, and for nearly two weeks I kept making edits without seeing anybody else in the Recent Changes. I think make a great wiki for this game is a way of supporting it, and the players... but that requires a lot of planning atm in the early days, to avoid it become a big mess later (in my opinion).		: Hi Karu. First concerning creatures: no, you can make individual creature pages. I only suggested that we focus our efforts first on the creature type pages (Goblin, Arthropod, etc) in which we could list the known individual creatures, and link to their pages (so you can keep making those pages if you like, and we don't need to delete them).<br><br>'''Regarding signatures and Talk Pages''': please try to use them [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages as is documented]. When I come to the Talk page, I have no idea where you replied, I have to re-scan all the text to get a sense of who is who, or go through the page history (in fact now that I re-scanned the page I noticed another comment you left regarding Anatomy XP, it's hard to see!). Signatures, indents, and topics (headings) make it easier to see how the discussion is going and who has last replied, not just for the person you respond to, but any future editors who want to get up to date on the conversation and the history of an article. It also allows future editors to join in a conversation, add their opinions as they can chose to address any specific comment by indenting.<br><br>Granted it has been easier to talk to [[User:NotesOfNotus]] because our play time overlaps so we could talk in-game. I've looked for you in-game but we don't seem to be on at the same time much. If you'd like to discuss via Skype to communicate more easily <abbr title="my email is on github.com/fabd">see this tooltip</abbr>. It's not just my page and your page, it's super helpful for all talk pages.<br><br>If I seem to drive things a little bit for now, I hope you can appreciate that I spent some time creating MediaWiki Help bookmarks initially on my user page, and recently moved to the [[Project Gorgon Wiki:How to help]] page sidebar. I made lots of effort during the past 3 weeks to organize things here because now is a critical time to do so. Two weeks ago I posted a [http://www.reddit.com/r/projectgorgon/comments/2gv5jq/did_you_know_there_is_an_official_wiki_well_there/ long Reddit topic] to attract editors, and for nearly two weeks I kept making edits without seeing anybody else in the Recent Changes. I think make a great wiki for this game is a way of supporting it, and the players... but that requires a lot of planning atm in the early days, to avoid it become a big mess later (in my opinion).

	::Yeah, as you're no doubt aware, I'm a total noob when it comes to wikis, so until the other day when i looked up how you had been signing them in the edit section, I didn't even know how. I'll try to do better in the future though. Regarding your proposal, I agree, but I don't think it will ever be necessary to list the individual anatomies on their own. They should be good on the main anatomy page as a table. That said, I'll probably make that page link to the relevant creature anatomy info, assuming I ever get it nice and compiled the way I'd like to.		::Yeah, as you're no doubt aware, I'm a total noob when it comes to wikis, so until the other day when i looked up how you had been signing them in the edit section, I didn't even know how. I'll try to do better in the future though. Regarding your proposal, I agree, but I don't think it will ever be necessary to list the individual anatomies on their own. They should be good on the main anatomy page as a table. That said, I'll probably make that page link to the relevant creature anatomy info, assuming I ever get it nice and compiled the way I'd like to. [[User:Karunama\|Karunama]] ([[User talk:Karunama\|talk]]) 00:09, 7 October 2014 (CDT)

Karunama: /* How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles */

2014-10-07T05:09:03Z

How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles

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	Well, I did get notified. Let me know if you get the message for this, since I won't be using the indent or signature thingies. My current guess is that it notifies you if someone adds to your (talk) page, and that's it. Btw, do we have anyone that can delete pages? We could end up with a fair number of empty pages if we try to move all the creatures to a single page :/		Well, I did get notified. Let me know if you get the message for this, since I won't be using the indent or signature thingies. My current guess is that it notifies you if someone adds to your (talk) page, and that's it. Btw, do we have anyone that can delete pages? We could end up with a fair number of empty pages if we try to move all the creatures to a single page :/
	: Hi Karu. First concerning creatures: no, you can make individual creature pages. I only suggested that we focus our efforts first on the creature type pages (Goblin, Arthropod, etc) in which we could list the known individual creatures, and link to their pages (so you can keep making those pages if you like, and we don't need to delete them).<br><br>'''Regarding signatures and Talk Pages''': please try to use them [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages as is documented]. When I come to the Talk page, I have no idea where you replied, I have to re-scan all the text to get a sense of who is who, or go through the page history (in fact now that I re-scanned the page I noticed another comment you left regarding Anatomy XP, it's hard to see!). Signatures, indents, and topics (headings) make it easier to see how the discussion is going and who has last replied, not just for the person you respond to, but any future editors who want to get up to date on the conversation and the history of an article. It also allows future editors to join in a conversation, add their opinions as they can chose to address any specific comment by indenting.<br><br>Granted it has been easier to talk to [[User:NotesOfNotus]] because our play time overlaps so we could talk in-game. I've looked for you in-game but we don't seem to be on at the same time much. If you'd like to discuss via Skype to communicate more easily <abbr title="my email is on github.com/fabd">see this tooltip</abbr>. It's not just my page and your page, it's super helpful for all talk pages.<br><br>If I seem to drive things a little bit for now, I hope you can appreciate that I spent some time creating MediaWiki Help bookmarks initially on my user page, and recently moved to the [[Project Gorgon Wiki:How to help]] page sidebar. I made lots of effort during the past 3 weeks to organize things here because now is a critical time to do so. Two weeks ago I posted a [http://www.reddit.com/r/projectgorgon/comments/2gv5jq/did_you_know_there_is_an_official_wiki_well_there/ long Reddit topic] to attract editors, and for nearly two weeks I kept making edits without seeing anybody else in the Recent Changes. I think make a great wiki for this game is a way of supporting it, and the players... but that requires a lot of planning atm in the early days, to avoid it become a big mess later (in my opinion).		: Hi Karu. First concerning creatures: no, you can make individual creature pages. I only suggested that we focus our efforts first on the creature type pages (Goblin, Arthropod, etc) in which we could list the known individual creatures, and link to their pages (so you can keep making those pages if you like, and we don't need to delete them).<br><br>'''Regarding signatures and Talk Pages''': please try to use them [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages as is documented]. When I come to the Talk page, I have no idea where you replied, I have to re-scan all the text to get a sense of who is who, or go through the page history (in fact now that I re-scanned the page I noticed another comment you left regarding Anatomy XP, it's hard to see!). Signatures, indents, and topics (headings) make it easier to see how the discussion is going and who has last replied, not just for the person you respond to, but any future editors who want to get up to date on the conversation and the history of an article. It also allows future editors to join in a conversation, add their opinions as they can chose to address any specific comment by indenting.<br><br>Granted it has been easier to talk to [[User:NotesOfNotus]] because our play time overlaps so we could talk in-game. I've looked for you in-game but we don't seem to be on at the same time much. If you'd like to discuss via Skype to communicate more easily <abbr title="my email is on github.com/fabd">see this tooltip</abbr>. It's not just my page and your page, it's super helpful for all talk pages.<br><br>If I seem to drive things a little bit for now, I hope you can appreciate that I spent some time creating MediaWiki Help bookmarks initially on my user page, and recently moved to the [[Project Gorgon Wiki:How to help]] page sidebar. I made lots of effort during the past 3 weeks to organize things here because now is a critical time to do so. Two weeks ago I posted a [http://www.reddit.com/r/projectgorgon/comments/2gv5jq/did_you_know_there_is_an_official_wiki_well_there/ long Reddit topic] to attract editors, and for nearly two weeks I kept making edits without seeing anybody else in the Recent Changes. I think make a great wiki for this game is a way of supporting it, and the players... but that requires a lot of planning atm in the early days, to avoid it become a big mess later (in my opinion).

			::Yeah, as you're no doubt aware, I'm a total noob when it comes to wikis, so until the other day when i looked up how you had been signing them in the edit section, I didn't even know how. I'll try to do better in the future though. Regarding your proposal, I agree, but I don't think it will ever be necessary to list the individual anatomies on their own. They should be good on the main anatomy page as a table. That said, I'll probably make that page link to the relevant creature anatomy info, assuming I ever get it nice and compiled the way I'd like to.

Gorgonzola: /* How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles */

2014-10-06T11:47:06Z

How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles

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	Well, I did get notified. Let me know if you get the message for this, since I won't be using the indent or signature thingies. My current guess is that it notifies you if someone adds to your (talk) page, and that's it. Btw, do we have anyone that can delete pages? We could end up with a fair number of empty pages if we try to move all the creatures to a single page :/		Well, I did get notified. Let me know if you get the message for this, since I won't be using the indent or signature thingies. My current guess is that it notifies you if someone adds to your (talk) page, and that's it. Btw, do we have anyone that can delete pages? We could end up with a fair number of empty pages if we try to move all the creatures to a single page :/
			: Hi Karu. First concerning creatures: no, you can make individual creature pages. I only suggested that we focus our efforts first on the creature type pages (Goblin, Arthropod, etc) in which we could list the known individual creatures, and link to their pages (so you can keep making those pages if you like, and we don't need to delete them).<br><br>'''Regarding signatures and Talk Pages''': please try to use them [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages as is documented]. When I come to the Talk page, I have no idea where you replied, I have to re-scan all the text to get a sense of who is who, or go through the page history (in fact now that I re-scanned the page I noticed another comment you left regarding Anatomy XP, it's hard to see!). Signatures, indents, and topics (headings) make it easier to see how the discussion is going and who has last replied, not just for the person you respond to, but any future editors who want to get up to date on the conversation and the history of an article. It also allows future editors to join in a conversation, add their opinions as they can chose to address any specific comment by indenting.<br><br>Granted it has been easier to talk to [[User:NotesOfNotus]] because our play time overlaps so we could talk in-game. I've looked for you in-game but we don't seem to be on at the same time much. If you'd like to discuss via Skype to communicate more easily <abbr title="my email is on github.com/fabd">see this tooltip</abbr>. It's not just my page and your page, it's super helpful for all talk pages.<br><br>If I seem to drive things a little bit for now, I hope you can appreciate that I spent some time creating MediaWiki Help bookmarks initially on my user page, and recently moved to the [[Project Gorgon Wiki:How to help]] page sidebar. I made lots of effort during the past 3 weeks to organize things here because now is a critical time to do so. Two weeks ago I posted a [http://www.reddit.com/r/projectgorgon/comments/2gv5jq/did_you_know_there_is_an_official_wiki_well_there/ long Reddit topic] to attract editors, and for nearly two weeks I kept making edits without seeing anybody else in the Recent Changes. I think make a great wiki for this game is a way of supporting it, and the players... but that requires a lot of planning atm in the early days, to avoid it become a big mess later (in my opinion).

Karunama at 08:56, 6 October 2014

2014-10-06T08:56:39Z

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	: Hmm, I guess the list of enemies could grow long vertically, with lots of white space. I have a middle-way solution I'd like to try first: we can create a category listing with DynamicPageList right? I think it allows for multiple columns. It seems less useful to me if a simple list of creatures is not directly available, but listing them on multiple side by side columns could help improve the layout. I'll try that and report back later (not sure if it's supported as there are two "dynamic page list" extensions). '''edit''' In theory it would look a little but like a transclude of that category page you mentioned (which uses multiple columns). --[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:25, 5 October 2014 (CDT)		: Hmm, I guess the list of enemies could grow long vertically, with lots of white space. I have a middle-way solution I'd like to try first: we can create a category listing with DynamicPageList right? I think it allows for multiple columns. It seems less useful to me if a simple list of creatures is not directly available, but listing them on multiple side by side columns could help improve the layout. I'll try that and report back later (not sure if it's supported as there are two "dynamic page list" extensions). '''edit''' In theory it would look a little but like a transclude of that category page you mentioned (which uses multiple columns). --[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:25, 5 October 2014 (CDT)

	Well, ~~let~~ me know if you get the message for this, since I won't be using the indent or signature thingies. My current guess is that it notifies you if someone adds to your (talk) page, and that's it. Btw, do we have anyone that can delete pages? We could end up with a fair number of empty pages if we try to move all the creatures to a single page :/		Well, I did get notified. Let me know if you get the message for this, since I won't be using the indent or signature thingies. My current guess is that it notifies you if someone adds to your (talk) page, and that's it. Btw, do we have anyone that can delete pages? We could end up with a fair number of empty pages if we try to move all the creatures to a single page :/

Karunama: /* Template:MOB infobox comments */

2014-10-06T03:03:42Z

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	: Alright. I will let you create the individual creature pages at your own pace as I will focus on templates (thankfully Eric said at town hall meeting he would add the extension, which will greatly improve the "infobox" capabilities). Stats wise I agree I'd rather not indicate them if they are not reliable, saves you lot of time too. Anatomy XP sounds more useful than general mob stats, however is it not like gourmand, you get most XP onfirst kill? If that is the case then the simple list of every existing creature type by itself provides the information to level Anatomy XP. --[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:13, 5 October 2014 (CDT)		: Alright. I will let you create the individual creature pages at your own pace as I will focus on templates (thankfully Eric said at town hall meeting he would add the extension, which will greatly improve the "infobox" capabilities). Stats wise I agree I'd rather not indicate them if they are not reliable, saves you lot of time too. Anatomy XP sounds more useful than general mob stats, however is it not like gourmand, you get most XP onfirst kill? If that is the case then the simple list of every existing creature type by itself provides the information to level Anatomy XP. --[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:13, 5 October 2014 (CDT)
	: '''PS''' i'd say we will not transclude pages as that will probably be too long whether or not we use MOB infobox, so use MOB infobox if only for the Anatomy link, and leave out armor/health/rage parameters. Later, when I can improve template, those will not show (or maybe it will say something like "Stats variable" we'll see.. also it helps getting the image filenames ready for people who want to add pictures later (insert MOB infobox first, it auto-create a picture link for upload).--[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:20, 5 October 2014 (CDT)		: '''PS''' i'd say we will not transclude pages as that will probably be too long whether or not we use MOB infobox, so use MOB infobox if only for the Anatomy link, and leave out armor/health/rage parameters. Later, when I can improve template, those will not show (or maybe it will say something like "Stats variable" we'll see.. also it helps getting the image filenames ready for people who want to add pictures later (insert MOB infobox first, it auto-create a picture link for upload).--[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:20, 5 October 2014 (CDT)

			Seems to me you get the exact same amount of XP per autopsy on a creature until your anatomy level equals the amount of experience the creature is worth. So, for example, sewer rats can only take you to level 13 IIRC. Although I understand the logic behind this system, it isn't particularly self-evident to new players, IMHO. Again, I think listing this would help people out, but it's probably far too much trouble, because if you already hit 13 from sewer rats, the giant plains rats in eltibule will give you nothing, and the only thing you'd be able to list is that it's less than or equal to 13. Perhaps just listing the best known creature for the anatomy skill would be sufficient?

	==How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles==		==How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles==

Karunama at 02:56, 6 October 2014

2014-10-06T02:56:02Z

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	One last thing, rather than having a list on the main page for a zone, we could just have a link to the [[:Category:Serbule Creatures]] page or something along those lines. That might help us trim the page without hiding any info from the people who want/need it. If we do that though, we should probably consider creating dungeon named creature categories. A la [[:Category:Serbule Crypt Creatures]].--[[User:Karunama]]		One last thing, rather than having a list on the main page for a zone, we could just have a link to the [[:Category:Serbule Creatures]] page or something along those lines. That might help us trim the page without hiding any info from the people who want/need it. If we do that though, we should probably consider creating dungeon named creature categories. A la [[:Category:Serbule Crypt Creatures]].--[[User:Karunama]]
	: Hmm, I guess the list of enemies could grow long vertically, with lots of white space. I have a middle-way solution I'd like to try first: we can create a category listing with DynamicPageList right? I think it allows for multiple columns. It seems less useful to me if a simple list of creatures is not directly available, but listing them on multiple side by side columns could help improve the layout. I'll try that and report back later (not sure if it's supported as there are two "dynamic page list" extensions). '''edit''' In theory it would look a little but like a transclude of that category page you mentioned (which uses multiple columns). --[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:25, 5 October 2014 (CDT)		: Hmm, I guess the list of enemies could grow long vertically, with lots of white space. I have a middle-way solution I'd like to try first: we can create a category listing with DynamicPageList right? I think it allows for multiple columns. It seems less useful to me if a simple list of creatures is not directly available, but listing them on multiple side by side columns could help improve the layout. I'll try that and report back later (not sure if it's supported as there are two "dynamic page list" extensions). '''edit''' In theory it would look a little but like a transclude of that category page you mentioned (which uses multiple columns). --[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:25, 5 October 2014 (CDT)

			Well, let me know if you get the message for this, since I won't be using the indent or signature thingies. My current guess is that it notifies you if someone adds to your (talk) page, and that's it. Btw, do we have anyone that can delete pages? We could end up with a fair number of empty pages if we try to move all the creatures to a single page :/

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How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles

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	==How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles==		==How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles==
	One last thing, rather than having a list on the main page for a zone, we could just have a link to the [[:Category:Serbule Creatures]] page or something along those lines. That might help us trim the page without hiding any info from the people who want/need it. If we do that though, we should probably consider creating dungeon named creature categories. A la [[:Category:Serbule Crypt Creatures]].--[[User:Karunama]]		One last thing, rather than having a list on the main page for a zone, we could just have a link to the [[:Category:Serbule Creatures]] page or something along those lines. That might help us trim the page without hiding any info from the people who want/need it. If we do that though, we should probably consider creating dungeon named creature categories. A la [[:Category:Serbule Crypt Creatures]].--[[User:Karunama]]
	: Hmm, I guess the list of enemies could grow long vertically, with lots of white space. I have a middle-way solution I'd like to try first: we can create a category listing with DynamicPageList right? I think it allows for multiple columns. It seems less useful to me if a simple list of creatures is not directly available, but listing them on multiple side by side columns could help improve the layout. I'll try that and report back later (not sure if it's supported as there are two "dynamic page list" extensions).--[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:25, 5 October 2014 (CDT)		: Hmm, I guess the list of enemies could grow long vertically, with lots of white space. I have a middle-way solution I'd like to try first: we can create a category listing with DynamicPageList right? I think it allows for multiple columns. It seems less useful to me if a simple list of creatures is not directly available, but listing them on multiple side by side columns could help improve the layout. I'll try that and report back later (not sure if it's supported as there are two "dynamic page list" extensions). '''edit''' In theory it would look a little but like a transclude of that category page you mentioned (which uses multiple columns). --[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:25, 5 October 2014 (CDT)

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	: '''PS''' i'd say we will not transclude pages as that will probably be too long whether or not we use MOB infobox, so use MOB infobox if only for the Anatomy link, and leave out armor/health/rage parameters. Later, when I can improve template, those will not show (or maybe it will say something like "Stats variable" we'll see.. also it helps getting the image filenames ready for people who want to add pictures later (insert MOB infobox first, it auto-create a picture link for upload).--[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:20, 5 October 2014 (CDT)		: '''PS''' i'd say we will not transclude pages as that will probably be too long whether or not we use MOB infobox, so use MOB infobox if only for the Anatomy link, and leave out armor/health/rage parameters. Later, when I can improve template, those will not show (or maybe it will say something like "Stats variable" we'll see.. also it helps getting the image filenames ready for people who want to add pictures later (insert MOB infobox first, it auto-create a picture link for upload).--[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:20, 5 October 2014 (CDT)

			==How to list foes/bosses in Zone articles==
	One last thing, rather than having a list on the main page for a zone, we could just have a link to the [[:Category:Serbule Creatures]] page or something along those lines. That might help us trim the page without hiding any info from the people who want/need it. If we do that though, we should probably consider creating dungeon named creature categories. A la [[:Category:Serbule Crypt Creatures]].--[[User:Karunama]]		One last thing, rather than having a list on the main page for a zone, we could just have a link to the [[:Category:Serbule Creatures]] page or something along those lines. That might help us trim the page without hiding any info from the people who want/need it. If we do that though, we should probably consider creating dungeon named creature categories. A la [[:Category:Serbule Crypt Creatures]].--[[User:Karunama]]
			: Hmm, I guess the list of enemies could grow long vertically, with lots of white space. I have a middle-way solution I'd like to try first: we can create a category listing with DynamicPageList right? I think it allows for multiple columns. It seems less useful to me if a simple list of creatures is not directly available, but listing them on multiple side by side columns could help improve the layout. I'll try that and report back later (not sure if it's supported as there are two "dynamic page list" extensions).--[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:25, 5 October 2014 (CDT)

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	In my personal opinion, we could absolutely drop the hp/armor/rage stats for non-bosses if we wanted, but drops and images are probably necessities, for quests and crafting if nothing else. I'd also love to get the (type) anatomy XP amounts for each creature, but that might be far more trouble than it's worth. --[[User:Karunama]]		In my personal opinion, we could absolutely drop the hp/armor/rage stats for non-bosses if we wanted, but drops and images are probably necessities, for quests and crafting if nothing else. I'd also love to get the (type) anatomy XP amounts for each creature, but that might be far more trouble than it's worth. --[[User:Karunama]]
	: Alright. I will let you create the individual creature pages at your own pace as I will focus on templates (thankfully Eric said at town hall meeting he would add the extension, which will greatly improve the "infobox" capabilities). Stats wise I agree I'd rather not indicate them if they are not reliable, saves you lot of time too. Anatomy XP sounds more useful than general mob stats, however is it not like gourmand, you get most XP onfirst kill? If that is the case then the simple list of every existing creature type by itself provides the information to level Anatomy XP. --[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:13, 5 October 2014 (CDT)		: Alright. I will let you create the individual creature pages at your own pace as I will focus on templates (thankfully Eric said at town hall meeting he would add the extension, which will greatly improve the "infobox" capabilities). Stats wise I agree I'd rather not indicate them if they are not reliable, saves you lot of time too. Anatomy XP sounds more useful than general mob stats, however is it not like gourmand, you get most XP onfirst kill? If that is the case then the simple list of every existing creature type by itself provides the information to level Anatomy XP. --[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:13, 5 October 2014 (CDT)
			: '''PS''' i'd say we will not transclude pages as that will probably be too long whether or not we use MOB infobox, so use MOB infobox if only for the Anatomy link, and leave out armor/health/rage parameters. Later, when I can improve template, those will not show (or maybe it will say something like "Stats variable" we'll see.. also it helps getting the image filenames ready for people who want to add pictures later (insert MOB infobox first, it auto-create a picture link for upload).--[[User:Gorgonzola\|Gorgonzola]] ([[User talk:Gorgonzola\|talk]]) 10:20, 5 October 2014 (CDT)

	One last thing, rather than having a list on the main page for a zone, we could just have a link to the [[:Category:Serbule Creatures]] page or something along those lines. That might help us trim the page without hiding any info from the people who want/need it. If we do that though, we should probably consider creating dungeon named creature categories. A la [[:Category:Serbule Crypt Creatures]].--[[User:Karunama]]		One last thing, rather than having a list on the main page for a zone, we could just have a link to the [[:Category:Serbule Creatures]] page or something along those lines. That might help us trim the page without hiding any info from the people who want/need it. If we do that though, we should probably consider creating dungeon named creature categories. A la [[:Category:Serbule Crypt Creatures]].--[[User:Karunama]]